Troy Weeks
Well-known member
If you are saying they have an insurance company provide the coverage and it isn't solely financed by AMA Well that goes without saying.
No more Helmet Cams per the AMA
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Troy Weeks
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Everyone is acting like we have to follow the AMA rule. FTR can have rules that are not a copy of AMA and AMA can have rules that are not a copy of FTR. My guess would be in order for it to be an FTR rule it would have to be included in our FTR rule Book.
Robert Breakfield
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The AMA "controls" whether you participate in an FTR event or not. Try racing the next harescramble without AMA membership. That's the control I am referring to. I guess I could have worded it better, how about "AMA membership required to participate in FTR events"? You think that is a good thing, your certainly entitled to your opinion, we all are. Even if the increase in insurance policy amounts required for an event really was the only reason for AMA requirement, I don't see what is good about any of it. Huge increases in policy requirements? Not good. Requiring members to spend even more money to join an association they may not agree with or want to join? Not good. And that is the best case scenario, assuming there is not more to it than just insurance requirements. I can't prove anything, but does anyone think the AMA wouldn't like for all 2000 plus FTR members to have to become AMA members, and if they could influence that to happen through insurance tactics or any other venues they wield power over, they wouldn't do it? Or if there were possibly members on the FTR BOD that liked the AMA and felt it would be a good thing for all FTR members to also be AMA members, that wouldn't influence their vote on issues that could affect conditions that would or wouldn't require the AMA? Either way, I'm not looking to fight about it with anyone, it's really not that important, it will be whatever it is. As long as we can keep racing and enjoying our hobby that's the most important thing. And I do appreciate all the work the FTR leadership does, just as I appreciate all the clubs and everyone involved in keeping the FTR running year to year.
Here is what the current rulebook says about AMA (among other things):
If a rule or definition is not covered in this rule book, it is left to the current AMA rule
book.
FTR encourages clubs to co-sanction events with AMA and SE&TRA. FTR encourages riders
to attend sanctioned events. In a co-sanctioned event, a rider will ride by the rules of their
own organization (AMA, SE&TRA, FTR). Conflicts shall be settled by the promoting club and
the organization’s referee.
From this I reach two conclusions:
1. It is up to individual clubs (not FTR) if an event requires AMA membership.
2. Since FTR rulebook does not specifically allow helmet cams, we have to follow AMA's rule (for now).
If a rule or definition is not covered in this rule book, it is left to the current AMA rule
book.
FTR encourages clubs to co-sanction events with AMA and SE&TRA. FTR encourages riders
to attend sanctioned events. In a co-sanctioned event, a rider will ride by the rules of their
own organization (AMA, SE&TRA, FTR). Conflicts shall be settled by the promoting club and
the organization’s referee.
From this I reach two conclusions:
1. It is up to individual clubs (not FTR) if an event requires AMA membership.
2. Since FTR rulebook does not specifically allow helmet cams, we have to follow AMA's rule (for now).
Robert you are correct in many of the thing you wrote. You do not have to be an AMA member to ride an FTR event unless it is co-sanctioned by AMA. If the clubs could buy KK insurance or any other brand of insurance company from other than AMA as we once could then we would not have to deal with the AMA. AMA however did get KK to only sell their two million dollar off-highway through them and not allow any other agency to obtain it. FTR adopted the two million dollar policy as a must for all FTR clubs so that left us with no choice but to buy through AMA. I personally tried many other insurance companies like we use to use and they told me AMA has it all tired up and no other company can sell a two million dollar policy. If they could I would be there in a second. When FTR's policy was one million only a couple of clubs opted to co-sanction with AMA because we could get our insurance elsewhere.
Just a little something, AMA brings The Florida State Championship to FTR. National recognition and being able to attend the AMA Annual Awards Banquet as a State Champion. Additional National exposure for our events and racers, the opportunity to secure National Sponsors. Just as with anything in life, we can choose to spin it as a positive or a negative.
Given the 2000 or so riders in FTR how many will benefit from any of those pluses you post as being a positive. Is any of those so called benefits worth the extra cost to the clubs and vast majority of the members that get nothing back in return? Is having two different sanctioning bodies with different rules to follow that do not comply with each other make it easier for the clubs and riders to know what rules they must follow keeping everyone confused. See the fight over the helmet cams. Do you really think national sponsors care one way or the other if we are AMA given the large number of riders we already have for them to advertise too? They are looking at the market, not who is sanctioning the event.
BTW....my post are not spin.......they are reality.
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Angel Mendez
Well-known member
Pete is never going to be good enough for a few. So carry on and hopefully have fun in the process.
Jim Wallin
Member
I don't know if its true or not but I saw a comment in a race video posted last week by Noah Clark NC32 on You Tube that the AMA camera restriction is only for amateurs, pro riders are exempt.
Jacob Gilliam
Well-known member
If we are following the rule as written, I think we have to ban goggles too. Helmets aren't tested with those.
George Stewart
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George Stewart
Well-known member
All helmet stickers will have to be removed . Street bikers will have to remove their gopro or have their ama card canceled
Jacob Gilliam
Well-known member
No more transponders under the visor either.
Uhh... Really? You need to think it through, Jacob. Visors are banned too!
Jacob Gilliam
Well-known member
Seems like this could all be solved with either:
A disclaimer that the racer assumes the risk for their gear.
Or a line in the rulebook that says the rider assumes the risk for their gear.
A disclaimer that the racer assumes the risk for their gear.
Or a line in the rulebook that says the rider assumes the risk for their gear.